In 2005, Sander first met her radio husband Quinn Swinenberg. A year later, the two presented their own afternoon show on 3FM and now the gentlemen are cooked on Radio 538, where the cast remains the same: Coen brings up the topic and Sander leads the joke. The fact that he’s now known as the Joker has been a “perfect mask” according to Sander for years.

“It was a way to come into life and keep on living,” he says bluntly. He was wearing the mask Sander spoke of when his mother passed away at a young age. Preserving life was above all his way of dealing with this great sorrow. “It’s really different now, because I’m also exhausted,” Sander continues. “You cannot follow. It takes a lot of energy and you get lost in it too. At the time, I thought it worked well and it was easy too.

When his son Klas was born, Sander noticed that he was getting more and more sad, when he should have been happier. He said: “I remember when we were in Mirandabad [een zwembad in Amsterdam, red.] We were screaming with joy, but in reality I felt sad. I managed to postpone this mourning for about twenty years. So yes, then came the late mourning as it is called.

During this time, he also experienced a lot of panic and anxiety attacks: “At one point you really have problems with yourself, because you are afraid that another panic attack is coming. And it makes you panic again. Sander is now more daring to talk about his feelings, and it’s easier for him to do so. “Now I love it and I broadcast it a lot,” the radio producer said.

Rooijakkers above ground To see every Thursday at 9:30 p.m. on RTL 4 or see Videoland.

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